The Arena
The Arena

Episode · 9 years ago

A Fight for our Nation’s Soul: An Interview with Pastor Jim Garlow

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

In anticipation of Pulpit Freedom Sunday on October 7th, Father Josiah interviews Pastor Jim Garlow, megachurch pastor, scholar, and cultural commentator. Pastor Jim is one of America's leading clergymen, thoroughly immersed in the battle for religious freedom in our land. This hard-hitting interview addresses the serious threat to religious liberty and freedom of conscience facing American Christians at this moment in history, and provides guidance for concerned Christians about how they can stay true to their faith and help America through these perilous times.

Ancient faith. Radio and patristic nectarpublications present the arena Sunday homilies and theological reflections with Father Josiah Trenam. Inthis episode, in anticipation of Pulpit Freedom Sunday on October seventh, Father Josiahinterviews megachurch pastor, scholar and cultural commentators, Pastor Jim garlow. Pastor Jim isone of America's leading clergymen, thoroughly immersed in the battle for religious freedomin our land. This hard hitting interview addresses the serious threat to religious libertyand freedom of conscience facing American Christians at this moment in history and provides guidancefor concerned Christians about how they can stay true to their faith and help Americathrough these perilous times. May this interview be enriching and edifying to you,our listeners. For more lectures, patristic audio books, sacred music and interviews, please visit our website at www dot patristic nectar dot org. Again,that's www dot patristic nectar dot org. patristic nectar publications no nourishing this spirituallythirsty with the sweet teachings of the Holy Fathers, and now the interview.It is a tremendous joy to have pastor Jim garlow, the Reverend Doctor JimGarla, with us today. Dr Jim is the author of twelve books,a communicator, a commentator and historian and cultural observer and the senior pastor ofSkyline Wesleyan church in San Diego, California. He's heard daily on more than eighthundred and thirty radio outlets nationwide in his one minute commentary called the garlowperspective. In Two thousand and ten pastor Jim, while continuing to pastor inSan Diego, was appointed by former speaker of the House, Newt Gingrich,to be the chairman of Real, renewing American leadership, based in Washington.DC. Reel's mission is to preserve America's Judeo Christian heritage by defending and promotingthe four pillars of American civilization, faith, family, freedom and Free Enterprise.Through his role with real, garlow is partnering with the Alliance Defending Freedomfor pulpit freedom Sunday, encouraging pastors nationwide to speak truth boldly from their pulpitson pulpit freedom Sunday, October seventh, two thousand and twelve. He isa man who is credentialed and thoroughly educated. He has a Ph d in historicaltheology from Du Through University. Most...

...importantly, at least to this interviewer, he's a faithfully married man to his beloved wife Carol. He has manychildren and I've been blessed myself to make Pastor Jim's acquaintance to our common concernto protect an uphold traditional biblical marriage in the state of California and across ournation, in which battle pastor Jim is exercising tremendous leadership. Pastor Jim,it's an honor to interview you today. Well, it's not going to beon with you, my friend, Pastor Jim. If we can lost rightinto this interview for myself and for our our listeners, I want to beginby making an appeal to one chronicles in the Old Testament. There it's writtenthat King David gathered around himself many capable leaders, including the sons of Issachar, who were deemed by the chronicler to be men who understood the times,with knowledge of what Israel should do. Pastor Jim, would you share withour listeners your pastoral heart for our nation. How do you understand the times andwhat should we be doing? How would you give a crash course intwo minutes that might take several hours to really untack? I would say fromI'm going to give you said quick some nail over you, from sixteen oseven to eighteen thirty three, those of us that were adhering to the Christianfaith, whether the through Orthodox or through the various other branches of Christendom,would have been known as the establishment, but eighteen thirty three changed that.Now these years are really not that important. What I want people see is asa trend. From eighteen thirty three been to nineteen eighteen, the peoplewho were people of faith, biblical faith, were the predominant force in the culture. And what we're tracking here is what is the relation between people adhereto scriptural truth and the broader culture? Rephrasing that, what is the relationshipbetween those of us that are part of the faith, the people of God, and our relationship to the broader culture? And what we're going to see inthis pathway is we've been moved slowly, slowly, bit by bit, tothe outside and our values and even we as people have been marginalized andour influence is not filled in the way it once was. From eighteen thirtythree to SI indicate, to nineteen eighteen, we were the predominant force in culture. From nineteen eighteen to nineteen sixty eight, we were what I calla subdominant force in culture. From nineteen sixty eight, which is the mostturbulent here in American history sociology calls outside the Civil War, twenty sixteenth,nineteen eighty we became a subculture. That means there are other subcultures, allwho had their own value structure, and all those values are buying for ascendency. Somebody's values are going to win, some mysaters are going to lose.And in from nineteen eighty to nineteen ninety eight we became wing to fight counterculture. And then from effectively it happened to end an eighth is not intentional, but ninety eight to two thousand and eight we were antathetical to the culture. And there was Isaaih Chapter Five, verse twenty. They called bad good, they called good bad, and even...

Jose and nine hundred and twenty sevensays that's because your sins are so many. I'm speaking of America's a nation becauseyour sins are so many and your cynicism so great. We call theprophet a fool and the inspiring man of maniac and it works. It's thrownaway the men of God, the person of God, the person is theproclaimer of truth and it's from two thousand and eight, which you and Iexperience. In the profit battle for marriage in California, I think we tookon a new marker that we didn't want to have, and that was thepersecuted church. We began to now, for the first time, experience bonefly persecution. Pastors had of security and protection, many of them did,after the vote of marriage. One man, one woman. So we went frombeing an episoder of culture slowly moved out, quite ostracized, highly marginalizedand moving to the outskirts. That means we are citizens of Jerusalem, wereresidents of Babyla, and that caused us the rethink our functional, practical Ecclesiology, how we do church in a thoroughly hostile environment. I'm not discourage.I wish it wasn't this way, but I'm not the least bit discourage.You and I were made for this moment. God. God not taken by surprise. We were made for this moment and it's our moment right now tounderstand how to function in a culture that finds itself oftentimes very hostile to us, or we perceive it being hostile. Close with this thought on this questionthat when I was in a CBS in New York City one time doing someinterviews back there they're Gotteran, an evangelical Christian who is a part of CBSNews, a particular show, and I said how, how do they perceiveyou? How are you? Are you received here as a Bible leaving Christianin this environment? And he looked at me and he said they're not ashostile to me as I expected, but they do not understand us at all. And so that became the Lynch pin in my life to try to reachout and form meaningful friendships with those that I perceived to be most hostile tomy values and invest energy in them as friends, because I think it's thething that Jesus would have us do. Pastor Jim, listening to you,I'm thinking to myself that perhaps some of our listeners might doubt just how challengingthe circumstances are, just how a hostile the culture could be, especially whenyou use the word persecution. I'm wondering if you could flesh out for usa little bit exactly what you mean by that. How how our faithful pastorsand believers being persecuted? Today? It comes in the form primarily legalities andprosecution. Persecution is now spilled prosecution. I just came from speaking at aChristian University. I mean I'm literally on the road right now as we're doingthis show. Just spoke moments ago. As Christian University, like all Christianuniversities, is being forced by the current administration to embrace the HC as principles. In other words, they're going to have to provide insurance that covers aboard deficients, they're going to have to...

...provide assurance provides for the abortion ofa baby within the womb of a woman, and so this this university, likeseveral universities, has entered into a lawsuit against the current administration advance ofviolation of our capacity to function as believers. We think of adoption agency, shutdown existed for over a hundred years in Massachusetts, highly reputable because itwould not violate his conscience and adopt babies, for example, to the same sexcouples or I think of the powerful holiness. Can't be one of thosebeautiful camp meetings anywhere in the world. is on the Atlantic Ocean, inOcean Goo, New Jersey, and to lesbians demanded to have a ceremony onthat sitness and no where where church. We won't. The State of NewJersey is stepped in on a lawsuit continues to this day. A photographer Nolbuquerque, New Mexico, who I've met, Elaine Juganen, said no, Iwill not film the ceremony. I'll get a photographer who will the celebration ceremonyfor these two lesbians. The state of new Mexic to step them. She'sbeing fine. Dave, Antania, Parker and Lexington, Massachusetts, reflectively thrownout of the public school when all they did was request that their second graderbe released. They know notified when they're talking discussing homosexuality in the second grade, and they said no, we refuse to do that. And that kindof thing is happening across America today. That the examples. There are somany examples occurring. We face a culture for we have two locomotives on thesame track, running a high speed, and one locomotive is religious liberty,religious freedom, and the other one is the radical seculars to gem the primarilymanifested in the redefinition of marriage, and people on both sides of this issueat high levels all get up. They know the religious liberty and the redefinitionof marriage cannot coexist in the same nation at the same time. One isgoing to go to and the other will not. In a high level currentadministrative official said, well, we know religious liberties important, but we feellike these rights of these people who are homosexualize so great that, if ithas to, it needs to chop religious liberty. That comes from a highlevel official in the current administration. He re Ala zone. This is heartwrenchingto hear and to listen to. Pastor Jim, let me piggyback off thatlast reference to religious liberty. We Orthodox Christians have noted of late to theadmirable efforts of various Christian leaders in our country to protect and to preserve religiousfreedom in America, yourself included, to defend the unborn from abortion and especiallyto engage in this battle to defend marriage as the God ordained union of aman and a woman. In fact, I would like, if it's okaywith you, to read the official statement of the Assembly of Orthodox bishops inAmerica about these matters. It's a record...

...of protest against the infringement of religiousliberty by the Department of Health and Human Services. This was published by ourassembly of Orthodox bishops here in the United States in February of this year andreads as follows. The assembly of Canonical Orthodox bishops of North and Central America, which is comprised of the sixty five canonical Orthodox bishops in the United States, Canada and Mexico, join their voices with the United States Conference of Catholicbishops and all those who adamantly protest the recent decision by the United States Departmentof Health and Human Services, and call upon all the Orthodox Christian faithful tocontact their elected representatives today to voice their concern in the face of this threatto the sanctity of the church's conscience. In this ruling by the HHS,religious hospitals, educational institutions and other organizations will be required to pay the fullcon post of contraceptives, including some abortion inducing drugs and sterilizations for their employees. Regardless of the religious convictions of the employers. The First Amendment of theUnited States constitution guarantees the free exercise of religion. This freedom is transgressed whena religious institution is required to pay for contraceptive services, including abortion inducing drugsand sterilization services, that directly violate their religious convictions. Providing such services shouldnot be regarded as mandated medical care. We, the assembly of Orthodox bishops, called upon the Aghx, Secretary Sebelius and the Obama Administration to rescind thisunjust ruling and to respect the religious freedom guaranteed all Americans by the First Amendment. This is the end of the statement and I admire Pastor Jim. Iadmire Cardinal Dolan and the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops for their their fortnightof freedom, for calling their priests and faithful to concerted prayer and fasting,for their dialog with the President and Congress on these issues and for the litigationthat they have engaged in defense of the free exercise of religion in our land. And we're also aware of the work that many evangelical pastors and Black Pastorsare doing to defend our common religious princes stables. You are are leaders inthis, in this battle, and you yourself are at the forefront of thiseffort. I'm wondering, Pastor Jim, if you would share with us yourwork in this area and especially your propagation of pulpit freedom Sunday. What's thatall about? I'll jump into that, but I just want to stop andsay a huge thank you. I praise God for the Orthodox Church. Asyou're reading a statement, my heart was just I'm so thankful. I theprides of knowing you and becoming acquainted with the Orthodox Church and the way Godis using you and and and the movement,...

...this ancient movement, in such aprofound way. So it's an honor. It's really an honor to me tobe associated with you and the movements that you represent. But the hopeof freedom Sunday is an incredibly exciting movement of spirit of God. Bates backto the issue of July the second one thousand nine hundred and fifty four.Everything changed in America those most people don't know what happened on July the SecondNineteen Befyfour, but on that day Lennon Dins Johnson, then senator from Texas. It returned from his hard fought battle for the Senate in Texas angry attwo businessmen will opposed him through their secular not for profit corporations. I havea one C threes, because they thought he was soft on communism. Whenhe got back to DC there was an overhauld attack code occurring. Going throughthe Senate. He stepped up in the end of a few words what becameknown as the Johnson Amendment, which said a five hundred and one c threecannot endorse or posed the candidate director indirectly. The language of it was quite ambiguous. But what was most fascinating is that up until that time, ahundred and sixty six years of American history, pastors had complete freedom because the understandingof our founding fathers was there was the the complete separation churches state,no governital intrusion into the pulpit at all. Astor's freely opposed or endorsed Canadas asthey chose all the way F oneos eighteen hundred. We know the electionof Thomas Jefferson. Up until fifty four, one thousand nine hundred and fifty four. At that point it all changed. Johnson's chief of staff would later admitin an article written by a brilliant scholar from Purdue University, that theydidn't have churches in mind at all. He was just angry at two businessmen, trying to shove them down so they could not oppose him ever again.He did not have churches in mind all. But the Irus stepped in and becamebegan to put this sanction upon pastors, and the result is a cultural mythhas developed to cultural miss one is this incorrect definition of separation church andstate, which says in effect that the state has con right to control ofthe church, when actually it's a contract exactly the opposite. The intentional meeting. But the second notion is that we is pastors somehow kind of deal withthe IRS, saying we won't talk about political, so cold political issues aslong as you give a TEX exemption. Well, that's not how it cameabout historically at all. The church always had historical text exemption because our foundingfathers designed it that way, because they wanted no governital intrusion on the church. The IRUS in the exists one thousand eight hundred and sixty two approximately.Of course, the Johnson Amendment was the first to make a speech issue tiedat all with this. No speech on on any political item now here's howit's slid. If I would have said fifty years ago tearing up a babyin the womb is a bad thing, people say, of course it is. Say it to day people the fashion.

You're being too political by saying thirtyyears ago the practice of homosexuality is not acceptable to God according to theBible. People they will, of course it is. Say it today afteryou're being too political. I would have said ten years ago marriage is oneman, one woman. People there will. Of course it is. You saidtoday past. You're being too political. The problem is people are now labelingpolitical what it is actually biblical. They don't recognize biblical preaching any longer. And so along comes the alliance defending freedom, a group of two thousandtwo hundred attorneys who said we've got to get this to court. In fiftyeight years they've tried to get the Johnson amendment the court, feeling it's unconstitutionalbased upon the First Amendment, freedom of speech the freedom of religion, butit's never been able to get the court for some reason. So finally,in two thousand and eight these two thousand two hundred attorneys allied together and selectedthirty three pastors to intentionally exercise their biblical authority, Their Constitutional Rights based uponthe First Amendment, and had them defive from the pulpit the Johnson amendments,record their sermons and mail them to the IRS, hoping to provoke a courtcase so this could be taken to court and get rid of the Johnson Amenthat once in Bral, but nothing happened. So on two thousand and nine andeighty four pastors did the same thing. Nothing happened. Two Thousand and tenone hundred pastors did that same thing. Nothing happened. Last year, fivehundred and thirty nine pastors is the same thing. And now this weekend, October the seventh, one thousand five hundred pastors across America will intentionally exercisetheir constitutional rights and the five what we believe is an unconstitutional regulation, recordtheir sermons and one thousand fifteen hundred pastors will do that in hopes again provokinga court case. So these twenty two hundred attorneys, they are prepared todefend us pro bono. If I to get to Johnson Amendment and we canread out and we can return to the pulpit the from censorship it now has. We're not saying a pastor has to endorse or oppose the candidate in thepulpit. US, we're all these things that it's up to the pastor andthe church and the government to restrict any type of speech whatever. The pastorof builds. God is golden to say that's what the pastor is to say. Hmmm, Amen, may it be blessed. May it be blessed.Pastor Jim, do you have reason to believe that this effort will in factprovoke a response, of formal response by the government? We do not knowat all. There's no clues and the attorneys, I look at the attorneyson that one, but there's no evidence at all one way or another onthis. So we're going into we're also trying to approach it not only throughthe legal system, we're trying to approach it at the same time through thelegislature and see if there's any way in Washington DC we can get Congress torepeal this horrific law that violates the first, First Amendment. I might point outthat my attorney friends, while they...

...see it from a legal perspective,I see from a spiritual perspective, and by then I mean we long fora an outbreak of renewing of the things of God across America, starting inthe hearts of humanity, footing family by family, city by city. Welong for renewal and awakening to occur in our nation. I personally do notbelieve we will ever see an awakening until the pastors become unintimidated, UNMUZZLEDER,not bullied, and set free. They're a one lesson organizations and out sixtythousand letters, fixtyzero pastors the scene, letters as much as two weeks agosaying don't you there speak out the issues, you'll lose your tax exemption potentially.The fact is, in fifty eight years no church has ever lost thistax exemption. I want to or repeat that make sure people get them.In fifty eight years, not one single church lost this tax exemption. OneChurch in upstate New York at one point lost its tax exempt letter of declaration. That's not the same as losing your tax exempt in that church is stillgoing around today. When the IRS context to church, what happens is achurch will either kind of roll over and played dead and say we're star,we're star, will never do that again. Or if it hurts lawyers up andsays we'll meet you in court, the IRS will string them along fora year or two. Was Ready to go to court, they'll back awayand say well, we're just going to close the case. Don't do itagain. So it's never gotten the court in all and all this long periodof time. We think it's a very critical thing. What has happened ispastors are easily intimidated. They're easily muzzled by this. They believe a culturalmyth that somehow they can speak. I've dealt with pastors to going and thinkyou can hand out voter guides totally legal. Sometimes you think you can't even registerpeople to vote your church. It's remarkable what pastors think they cannot do. The law has an ambiguity built into it, but there's a cultural thatthis built around it and pastors of backed away so severely that I'm going aspastors aren't really that frightened by the IRS because they're so far away from it, but they're afraid of is somebody in their Pew who has bought into thiscultural myth who emails them on Monday morning and say, pastor, you're beinga little too political there. If you keep this up, I just mightleave the church and with me will go my tithe check and se slowly pastorshave started backing away, and I would ask the question, how's that workedout for us in America these last sixty years? You know, the communitiesare are more righteous they used to be. If we preach on personal issues,is okay, church issues okay, families is okay, but if wemay biblical application to national life, people says, Oh, you better notdo that. But I'm praying that there's a renewal strengthening of pastors they'll standup and make biblical application. And not...

...only ripping up babies in the wombto bring a halt of that, only the destruction of marriage, but eveneven our national depth. The scripture says thou shalt not steal from future generations, so we wouldn't have the natural depth that we currently have. That wecannot pay back economic suicide. Want if three hundredzero churches in America had beeneducating voters, when they go into the voting booth, to vote Biblical yes, so, Pastor Jim, even if the IRS even if the government doesnot formally take up the Gauntlet and take us to court, we're still seeingtremendous blessing. It sounds from the numbers that you were sharing with our listenersthat more and more pastors are coming to cognitive awareness that it's time to regainreclaim their rightful place as the guardians of the moral conscience of our nation.Would you agree with that? I do. I think there's a real understanding thatwere an extremely serious condition here in this nation. Our goal all theway is not to save a nation. Our goals expand the Kingdom of God, but the place that we have been put on earth at this time.We all are clearly aware that America has been a bastion for truth, it'sbeen a bastion for freedom. There's no place on America that can bring there'sno place on the earth that can bring but America currently is bringing and soGod has chosen to bless her. And so it's a critical time and pastorsare rising up. There's an enormous swell of awareness that we are in someextremely serious waters if we do not become bold. So I'm actually encouraged withwhat I'm seeing in this rising up among many pastors. Thank God, PastorJim, faithful Christians of Orthodox, Catholic and Protestant traditions are interacting and collaboratingin America in new and hitherto unheard of waste. As an Orthodox priest anda scholar myself, I have benefited greatly from interaction with you, for instance, and with many others who are outside of the Orthodox tradition. If youhad an opportunity, master, if you had an opportunity to address the assemblyof Orthodox bishops in the United States, or perhaps a gathering of more thanthe twozero Orthodox priests in our nation, pastor him, what would you sayto us? What would you say to them? There was a statement fromChristianity Day magazine in one thousand nine hundred and ninety nine, April the fifththat said the secret of Billy Graham's ministry was his capacity to engage it transcendculture. That's sentence jumped off the page at me that day when I readit so many years ago. Engage yet transcend culture. And so how dowe do how do we engage the culture? We tend to do one or theother either. We engage it well, but we as salt loses savor andso we're worthless. Or maybe we transcendently keep our values, but wedon't connect what we become irrelevant. How do we do both? That's thethat's the that's the Quandry, because we want to be pastoral and loving thevery same people were loving. We also...

...have to be prophetic to sometimes theystop at that's sin and the challenge of a pastor is we want to bewinsome, compelling, magnetic and drawing the unblaeving world and and grow those whoalready believers. And yet we find ourselves. How, then, these take veryfirm prophetic hardlines. Biblical stances on issues in our cultures are not verypositive, very in lies the challenge I spoke of earlier. Were citizens ofJerusalem but residents of Bablin. So what do we do? My own personalview is on the engagement part. Here's where God has convicted me. I'mnot suggesting every was going to be convicted this way, but on my particularpart, here's where I felt convicted. The Lord has told me to reachout and establish deep relationships with those people that I perceived to be the mosthostile to me. So I've invested lots of energy, lots of energy formingrelationships with those of the top level that I can possibly get through for theleaders of the opposite of these issues, on same sex marriage, of proabortion, you name it, I've got to go to them and form,if I could, some kind of a relationship of friendship. That would behonoring the Christ without compromising my values. And of the interesting it's a veryinteresting discussion we can have with you, the the string of people that nowI count as a friend, and I hope they look at me the sameway. They know I disagree with everything they're doing. I opposed it stronglyon biblical grounds. But I choose to reach out because I think it's whatJesus would have me do when he was when the question was raised about Jesus, why would you run with people like that mark to sixteen? Well,he did it because he cared about all people. So that's the one thingengage the culture, and so I've reached out, for example, the personwho's ahead of the top organization, watching the DC, that funds the wholesame sex marriage movement across America. I reached out to him. I've reachedout to a host of people like that. I reached out to the poster childof same sex marriage internationally, Bishop Eugene Robinson of New Hampshire, andformed a friendship with him. Again, I think what he's walking in issin. There's nothing about this right. But I felt like the Lord puta thumb in my back and said do them. So I've done it.That's the engagement part, the transcended part, because I think we understand, wefailed to understand, the depth and breath of our moral authorities. Godhas put us in the environments were in for a purpose. I went yesterdayon the Colbert report. If you know Stephen Colbert and that television show inNew York City, it sort of mocks and spoos everything and some people thatdon't get there go on, don't there, go on, he'll, he'll beffoonyou and I said I suspect he will, and he he did.He poked fun at me, poked front of my ideology and he hilarically funning. I mean you have you have to laugh, quite frankly, how muchof what he says. But I thought the Council for some very wise peopleand they said we must be willing to go in the lions, then wemust go. And so I went on that show. I went on CNNyesterday in New York City and they were...

...pretty intense. To seebs earlier today. And and so that's that's part of what the Lord has called me togo and stand boldly. And on the CBS that guy asked me the question. They says, what right do you have to go you talk about abortion, won't you stop there? Why do you have to go on and callattention to what candidates are for it or against them? And I said,who are you? Who are you to tell me what I can say inmy pulpits? Who are you, based upon the first constitution, to bea pulpit place to me to dictate what I can say? It was wecan go toe to toe with these people with moral authority. One day Iwas on my way to a political event and I was just going to givethe open prayer and I was tired the what am I doing this for?These people don't take the prayer seriously. I'm just a hood ornament on thecar, you know, make the car look all nicer, but then helpthe car run it all. Why am I even going to this? AndAl was getting there when, along with the Lord, saying I can't believeI waste my time doing is when I felt the Holy Spirit say if Iheard from the spirit of God correctly. Said No, you are an infectiouscarrier of me, my spirit, and so where you go, you helprestrain evil. Now that changed my whole view. I walked into that room. It wasn't me, Jim Garl I know what I'm not and and butI know who I carry within me. And I think we underestimate the moralauthority of the word of God. The pulpits in America, three hundred thousandpulpits in America, could change this nation if they were filled with people whofeared nothing but God and love nothing. The truth this, this is awinnable war. All it takes is the people of God. Even we didn'thave three hundred thousand. What if we had critical mass? What we had? What do we had tied? What we had? Thirtyzero pastors that wouldstand this Sun and absolutely say do what you want to us, but wewill stand for truth. I personally think we have come to the moment.We're serving Christ is going to cost way more than it ever has an America. We tell the stories of bonhoffer. Why do we talk about Dedetrenk bonhoffer? Why is he so famous? Why is there a New York best sellerout, six hundred pages along, about him? It's not because he builtthe biggest church or wrote the best seller, or because he had a big radioTV ministry. It's because on Echel the night one thousand nine hundred andforty five, they stripped him naked, put the piano wire around his neckand hug him because he would not compromise truth that they have come to stoptelling stories about Deetrenk bonehoffer and start realizing we need to become deetrink bonhoffers.That's what I would say to my Orthodox brethren. After Jim I'm trying toget my breath here. I'm making my cross, taking in what you justsaid. Who let me say, on my behalf and on behalf of mylisteners, a sincere thank you and a sincere wish that the Lord, Godthe Almighty, might keep you in the palm of his hand, confirmed thework of your hands and your ministry. Please, for the sake of Godand for the sake of our nation,...

...keep going. I can share thisdeeply personal story and I don't share this to provoke sympathy, because simply won'tdo any good. Prayer wheel, but simply won't. I've been driving whilewe've been interviewed. I'm now arriving at an airport and I'm flying back toHouston, not to my home, my home San Diego. I'm flying toHouston because my wife's been in the battle with cancer for five years and threemonths that many of you are aware of, and we went to she goes toIndianers cancer cent of the best we can find in America. We flythere the last two years and particularly going back and forth and back and forth. We went through a month ago. We thought they're really here. Atthree days they put her right in a hospital. We had surgery. Thesurgery was successful and what they attempted to do, but they were unable toget the cancer. Only three to four percent lived to this length of time. I'm madly in love with my wife. Had Been married forty one years.I can't fathom like without her. So I'm getting on a plane justmomentarily. You may hear the jets actually in the background, and I'm goingto fly back to Houston. I hope to get her home in the nextfew days, we believe, and then get her back to Houston in amonth to try to dress the cancer they couldn't address in the surgery. Thecancers come back seven times in five years. But here's the part I want ashare. When it came back to the third time, we really werestunt, we were shocked and I took the phone call from the oncologist bymyself. I was home alone, she was not there, and when hebrought the word I was just really, really floored. I said, DrWe expect a miracle, you know. We expect America, where we're reallybelieving God to touch her. Any events that worked not to occur in therealm of the natural how long did you have? And he answered the questionand my body physically shook I was so shocked what he said. Now,what he said is not all import for our purposes now, except to saythis. A week later, sitting in that same chair in my study athome, I felt I heard if I heard the spirit of God correctly,if I heard the spirit of God correctly, I thought the spirit of God saidto me, you're fighting for the life of your wife and you're fightingfor the life of your nation and both of them, barring a miracle,have a very short time frame. Now it's not the listeners task to fightfor the life of my wife, except as they want a prayer partner withme, and at Skyline Church Dot Org they can click on Carroll and theycan see the bay request. But we are jointly fighting for the life ofour nation, not because we've confused America with the Kingdom of God. Weknow the difference, we understand totally the difference, but we are called tonot see a culture completely collapse in immorality and sin and economic suicide, aswe're put here for purpose as salt, and I would just say to uswe have a very limited window of time left or religious liberties are just evaporatingat a rate I never thought I would see in my life. I've beenstudying the political atmosphere of this country from age nine to the present. I'mnot a young man anymore. I got hooked on at age nine and I'mastounded what this country has become an is becoming, and I would just sayto all my special Orthodox friends take seriously...

...this notion we have a short windowof time left and make decisions based upon that. Lib As. If wehave a short time to see a turn. I believe if will operate accordingly inaction, prayer and fastening, meditating on the word and and God Ordaincalls to action what we are to do, he will be faithful, like thesons of Iszakar, who knew what Israel ought to do, the passageyou open this radio show with. We will know what to do and thiswould still be a nation that could be turned and today could be the nextday of the next great awakening. Amen. Amen. Thank you, Pastor Jim. God's speed and be assured of our prayers for yourself and especially forCarol. Thank you so much, my brother. Is a delight and ajoy to be with you, my joy godless. We hope that you haveenjoyed and have been edified by this presentation offered to you by Patristic Nectar Publications, a nonprofit organization committed to nourishing the spiritually thirsty with the sweet teachings ofthe Holy Fathers. Until next time,.

In-Stream Audio Search

NEW

Search across all episodes within this podcast

Episodes (551)